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From: "Experience Ultra-Realistic Flights" <enlightenment@gunmegnet.us>
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Recently this conception of the virtual has been challenged and another core meaning has been elicited (Denis Berthier, "Meditations on the real and the virtual" - in French). It is based both upon science (virtual image), technology (virtual world), and etymology (derivation from virtue - Latin virtus). At the same ontological level as "possible," "real," or "potential," "virtual" is defined as that which is not real but displays the full qualities of the real - in a plainly actual - i.e. not potential - way. The prototypical case is a reflection in a mirror: it is already there, whether I am here to see it; it is not waiting for any kind of actualization. This definition allows one to understand that real effects can be issued from a virtual object, so that our perception of it and our whole relation to it are fully real. It explains that virtual reality can be used to cure phobies - which remains contradictory in any conception for which the virtual is a kind of potential.
If you agree, please delete it. ike9898 04:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I do not agree with deletion. I would say that the last half of the paragraph is a bit garbled but the first half makes sense to me. The "virtual" is a concept that is informed by and in turn informs philosophical and technological disciplines and the etymological evidence indicates that it the concept has evolved and continues to evolve. Furthermore, whether or not it is "a wank" seems to imply that you are making your decision about what you imagine the authors motives to be rather than the veracity of his contribution.--Betamod (talk) 18:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I would say that this article lacks citations. The only published source it cites is an online english dictionary. The article called "Meditations on the real and the virtual" returned no hits on google. I would assume the author added this article himself, since the article is only in French, so the title of the article would most likely also be in French, yet it is not given! Anyone can voice an opinion on the talk page. That does not mean it should be added to the article's entry. I propose deletion. Cameodemon (talk) 06:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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<p style="color:#ffffff;font-size:1px">Recently this conception of the virtual has been challenged and another core meaning has been elicited (Denis Berthier, "Meditations on the real and the virtual" - in French).<br />
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It is based both upon science (virtual image), technology (virtual world), and etymology (derivation from virtue - Latin virtus).<br />
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At the same ontological level as "possible," "real," or "potential," "virtual" is defined as that which is not real but displays the full qualities of the real - in a plainly actual - i.e. not potential - way.<br />
<br />
The prototypical case is a reflection in a mirror: it is already there, whether I am here to see it; it is not waiting for any kind of actualization.<br />
<br />
This definition allows one to understand that real effects can be issued from a virtual object, so that our perception of it and our whole relation to it are fully real.<br />
<br />
It explains that virtual reality can be used to cure phobies - which remains contradictory in any conception for which the virtual is a kind of potential.<br />
<br />
If you agree, please delete it. ike9898 04:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)<a href="http://gunmegnet.us/Y3inwsDwW44BDK4-Z2T4y8nAMFeIgeFDccQUAA_124885_1efb_eb7c0474_0300"><img src="http://gunmegnet.us/28f57b8384b8b9ec4b.jpg" /><img height="1" src="http://www.gunmegnet.us/43unwsDwW44BDK4-Z2T4y8nAMFeIgWFOecF0AA_124885_1efb_e30ccda4_0300" width="1" /></a> I do not agree with deletion. I would say that the last half of the paragraph is a bit garbled but the first half makes sense to me.<br />
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The "virtual" is a concept that is informed by and in turn informs philosophical and technological disciplines and the etymological evidence indicates that it the concept has evolved and continues to evolve. Furthermore, whether or not it is "a wank" seems to imply that you are making your decision about what you imagine the authors motives to be rather than the veracity of his contribution.<br />
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I would say that this article lacks citations. The only published source it cites is an online english dictionary.<br />
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The article called "Meditations on the real and the virtual" returned no hits on google. I would assume the author added this article himself, since the article is only in French, so the title of the article would most likely also be in French, yet it is not given! Anyone can voice an opinion on the talk page. That does not mean it should be added to the article's entry. I propose deletion. Cameodemon (talk) 06:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)</p>
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